Thursday, January 20, 2011

The last acceptable form of bigotry?

I used to think the last acceptable form of bigotry was anti-Americanism, certainly you get to see a lot of it if you haunt various forums and debate boards where any mention of colour or religion brings the moderators down like a ton of bricks, but accuse the USA of being a nation of degenerate child molesters hardly raises an eyebrow.
But seems I was wrong, it's islamophobia according to baroness Warsi.

Islamophobia has “passed the dinner-table test” and is seen by many as normal and uncontroversial, Baroness Warsi will say in a speech on Thursday.
The minister without portfolio will also warn that describing Muslims as either “moderate” or “extremist” fosters growing prejudice.
Lady Warsi, the first Muslim woman to attend Cabinet, has pledged to use her position to wage an “ongoing battle against bigotry”.
Her comments are the most high-profile intervention in Britain’s religious debate by any member of David Cameron’s government.
They also confirm the Coalition’s determination to depart from its Labour predecessor’s policy of keeping out of issues of faith.
How can it be a phobia (an irrational fear) when some of them really are out to get us? Who flew the planes into the Twin Towers? Who blew up the buses and tubes in London? Who tried to drive a car filled with gas canisters wrapped in nails at Glasgow airport? Who were 53 of the 56 people convicted of grooming under age girls for sex? It strikes me that Warsi is just engaged in another cover up job by trying to pretend that there isn't a problem with Islam and some Muslims.
A recent study estimated there are now around 2.9 million Muslims in Britain, up from 1.6 million in 2001.
Some religious and social commentators have suggested that growth in numbers gives rise to legitimate concerns, asking whether strict adherence to the faith is compatible with the values of Western democracies.
Some Christian leaders have also said that Britain has become less tolerant of their faith during the same period.
In response, Lady Warsi will blame “the patronising, superficial way faith is discussed in certain quarters, including the media”. The peer will describe how prejudice against Muslims has grown along with their numbers, partly because of the way they are often portrayed.
Patronising and superficial? Anyone who studies a bit about Islam soon comes to the conclusion that there is a major problem between it and Western values.
- 0% of British Muslims found homosexuality acceptable.
- 3% found relations outside of marriage morally justifiable.
- 40% of this poll found Muslims wanting Sharia law in the UK.
- 75% of young Muslims want women to wear the veil (or at least hijab) compared to 19% of adult population.
These results are from a poll of Muslim students:
– 33% claim that killing is justified if done to protect religion.
– 40 percent support the introduction of sharia for British Muslims.
– 33 percent support a worldwide Islamic caliphate based on sharia. &
These results are from Muslims polled (16 – 24) for Policy Exchange:
-37 percent of young British Muslims want Sharia law in Britain.
-36 percent of young British Muslims think apostates should be killed.
-13 percent of young British Muslims said they “admired” Al Qaeda.
-According to a 2006 Pew Survey, only 17% of British Muslims believe that Arabs carried out the September 11th attacks.
-According to an NOP survey, 2007:
-24 percent of British Muslims deny that the four British Muslim suicide bombers carried out the 7/7 attacks.
-24 percent of British Muslims believe the British government carried out the 7/7 attacks. &,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=
-According to Channel 4 Polls in August 2006, reported in both the Scotsman and the Financial Times:
-24 per cent agreed or tended to agree that the 7/7 bombings were justified.
-45 per cent think 9/11 was carried out by the US or Israel.
-16 percent of British Muslims support suicide bombing in Israel.
-7 percent of British Muslims support suicide bombing in Britain.
-NOP Channel 4 polling came out with these results:
-33% of Muslims want Sharia Law as implemented in Saudi Arabia.
-28% of muslims agreed they dreamt of Britain becoming an Islamic State.
-78% wanted Danish cartoonist prosecuted.
-68% want prosecutions for insulting Islam.
-62% disagree with the freedom of speech if it insults religious sensibilities.
-50% said British people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted.
-Between 5-9% say that violence to protect Islam is acceptable.
-Whilst 10-13% found that they “understood” why young Muslims might want to become suicide bombers.
The information is not that hard to dig up took me about 1 minute on google, so Warsi really needs to understand that the people of the UK who are not Muslims have a very real distaste and dislike of Islam and some Muslims for very good reasons. There is a stream of violence running through the Koran, the Hadiths and the Surahs and Muslims themselves who adhere to their religion rather than living secular lives are steeped in it because it allows no leeway or freedom to choose how they live their lives. They are told Muhammed was a perfect example of how to live their lives, a guy who probably married a 6 year old and consumated the marriage when she was 9. Who ordered the murder of 600 to 900 Jews of the Quraiza  in 627 AD, who told his followers it was ok to lie, cheat and rob people who aren't Muslims.

Warsi is suffering from Muslim Grievance Syndrome by playing the victim card (yet again) in defence of the indefensible. Yes Islam has passed the "dinner party test" because you can only fool some people so long and Islam is now well past its sell by date for this sort of thing. People now know what a vipers brood we have introduced into the nation and we aren't happy about it. keep pushing this sort of guff Warsi and you'll see things change from unhappy to livid and intolerant.

As Lord Tebbit puts it so much better than I.
I would have told her that the Muslim faith was not discussed over the dinner tables of England, nor in the saloon bars, before large numbers of Muslims came here to our country. Then I would have told her to go to our Christian churches and listen to what was said about her religion and those who practise it, then to the Mosques to hear what is said in some of them about the Christian faith and those who practise it (or about Buddhists, Jews, or even those who have no faith at all).
What we have is an ideology giving rise to so many problematical organisations because it itself is seriously problematical. It cannot remain here in its current form, it will mean civil war otherwise.

Daily Mash does it better (of course)
He added: "When someone says 'it's okay, they're not very muslim'  they're not saying 'it's okay, they'll have a sneaky glass of cider' they're saying 'it's okay, they're not very supportive of imprisoning women who have been raped'.

"A lot of people have a problem with rape victims being jailed, particularly on religious grounds. That doesn't make you a Nazi. It actually makes you the opposite of a Nazi.

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13th Spitfire said...

Empirical evidence, you know they wont listen to that. You could have several PhDs, entire university departments proclaiming the same things, they would still not believe you, that there is something worrying about Islam.

Furor Teutonicus said...

XX 13th Spitfire said...

Empirical evidence, you know they wont listen to that. You could have several PhDs, entire university departments proclaiming the same things, they would still not believe you, that there is something worrying about Islam.XX

Not ONLY "islam", our bloody GOVERNMNTS are ignoring the evidence as well.

2,9 Million from what 70 mill in U.K?

YET more T.V/Radio time, column inches are stuffed with propoganda about THEM, more money is being spent on THEM, in the form of "Integration assistance"/Anti "descrimmination" agencys,POLICING, than ANY other single group in the history of mankind.

joe six-pack said...

"Anyone who studies a bit about Islam soon comes to the conclusion that there is a major problem between it and Western values."

I am certain that this is why we are seeing such a rise in anti-Islamic attitudes in the USA after 9/11. Many others have done what I did. Study Islam. I agree with the quote above. (Actually, many problems)

Jeremy Hartley said...

I agree!

Bloody Muslims! We should force everyone to be Christian. as long as it's a very narrow, fundamentalist type. That hates gay people. And bans extra marital sex.

And abolishes the welfare state.

Quiet_Man said...

Don't be so sarcastic Jeremy I don't think anyone should be forced to do anything. If people want to be Muslims fine, however that doesn't mean that they have any right to force their views on me up to and including blowing me and mine up. If they can't live in peace and integrate with the rest of us then we have serious problems ahead, I'd be saying the same if Christian fundamentalists were doing the same, it's fundamentalism and extremism that is the problem, not Muslims per se.

Jeremy Hartley said...

I wasn't being sarcastic. I actually sincerely believe in booting all Muslims out of Britain. Unless they embrace Christianity. And swear allegiance to the Queen. Even though she's a lizard.

Why do we want integration? They stay in their countries, we stay in ours.

And keep Europe out!
And what's wrong with Christian fundamentalistm? why can't we ban gays and force every young man to marry? No more fornication.